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LCF-AT

Hi guys,

I have some question to some Video experts or people who have some knowledge to help me little bit.

So I wanna know what I have to do to watch FullHD videos liquid without any lag etc you know what I mean right.So I don't really understand why it dosen't work on my PC to watch such videos normaly and I use already a middle good system what should handle such videos to show them liquid but unfortunately not.Normal HD 720p videos are running liquid so far but not the FullHD vids and they lag very bad in many cases and the CPU usage is running out of control 100 % and HD video round about 70 -80 %.So what are the real problems now that the videos use so much CPU usage?How can I reduce the CPU usage or what CPU do I need to run the videos liquid?On the net I found some infos that the codec itself is the problem and that h.264 is a CPU eater.So what can I do now is the question.

I checked also some different players and I see some diffrents.MPC-HC player does play FullHD liquid for me but the video stream plays slower as the sound and hangs back and its getting more & more.VLC does play same but the video stream hangs / jumps / stops etc.Anyway what I do I don't get both audio / video playing normaly & liquid.Is there any chance to use any other codec what could play it better (maybe CoreAVC) or something?No idea what I could do now so maybe you have some ideas.

By the way: My CPU is a Intel Pentium Dual Core 3 Ghz - RAM 3 GB - Graphic on board with 1 GB (given from my 4 GB memory).Is there also a way to find out what a video does need (system requirements) to run normaly?Maybe any tools what can check this or something etc?So I really wanna know what system req.. I need or what the problem are in my case (to less CPU or Ram or Graphic Ram or all?!?).

Ok some another info.I have test now something and found out that some FullHD videos running Ok but some not also if they use same codec!?!Below videos testet with VLC player.

HD Test 1080P Full HD (Avatar).mp4
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Typ: Video
Codec: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
Auflösung: 1920x1080
Bildwiederholrate: 23.976023
Decodiertes Format: Planar 4:2:0 YUV

Typ: Audio
Codec: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)
Kanäle: Stereo
Abtastrate: 44100 Hz
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CPU usage +/- 50 % Video runs Ok

Other video
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Typ: Video
Codec: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
Auflösung: 1920x1080
Bildwiederholrate: 59.000000
Decodiertes Format: Planar 4:2:0 YUV

Typ: Audio
Codec: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)
Kanäle: Stereo
Abtastrate: 48000 Hz
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CPU usage +/- 60 % Video Dosen't run OK!?

Only different I see is the video rate 23.x & 59.x.Is that the problem?But why?And why does hang the 59.x video in VLC and why does it only use 60 % CPU usage and why does it hang when the system has 40 % CPU free?Uuhhmmm!Anyway,maybe you have some hints for me to find & fix the trouble later.The Avatar video you can also find on youtube (same name) but to download it (if you need etc) you should use youtube-dl + FFmpeg if you want the FullHD video & audio.

Thanks so far and greetz

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Kurapica

As a man who made videos for over a decade, I see that your CPU can handle such resolutions.

The bottle neck could be ascribed to the absence of a real GPU unit there, try to add a separate nVidia or AMD GPU, your will see miracles !

such hardware is relatively cheap.

also try to test with available media players, some of them tend to lag and some are quick and responsive.

I recommend trying GOM Player but make sure to block it in your firewall, this will make it faster.

 

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GIV

I guess a CUDA or OPENGL video card and a sofware that use the GPU to render the video will spare you from that problem.

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kao

All what GIV & Kura said. 

You CPU is old and it doesn't support hardware video decoding. Depending on what chipset your motherboard has, integrated GPU might or might not support video acceleration. Check VLC help to see if you can enable GPU acceleration. But, in general, you could buy any budget GPU card and your problems would disappear. 

However, since you like to buy once and use the same stuff for a decade - I really suggest that you get a card that can handle HEVC/H.265 videos, as they are becoming more and more popular. And their quality is awesome! ;)

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LCF-AT

Hi again and thanks for the answers so far,

ok if I understand you guys right then I just need a real graphic card yes and not this onBoard cheese?Sounds nice so far that its only this the reason.In a few days I get a other (some years old) PC which used a real graphic card (no idea now what for a card xy) etc so if I install this card into my system then it should work better with the videos right (I hope so).Does it then play a big role if the GPU card has not so much Ram?Ok I will see whether it brings something in a few days. :)

I also tried to play any 4K video on my system before a while but there was happens almost nothing anymore maybe one frame in few second or so. :)

No I don't see this GPU acceleration option in my VLC player kao.

greetz

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Kurapica

you don't need a high end GPU with CUDA for playing a video.

GPUs and modern CPUs have certain instructions that can accelerate and smoothen the video playing.

I think you can't grab a nice GPU for about 100 to 150 USD to play HD porn and stuff :D

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LCF-AT

Hi guys,

short infos + problem I can't fix. :( I got a GPU card now (older one) but the problem is if I install it and start the PC then the screen keeps black and PC dosen't boot etc.The GPU fan does run.So what could be the problem now again?My power supply has 350W.

Some Infos:

My Mainboard I use
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=513
The new old GPU
http://www.ascendtech.us/asus-geforce-8600gt-512mb-dvi-hdmi-s-vid_i_vc512hp51887647.aspx

So both have a PCI-Express x16 slot so then it should work or?Maybe anyone of you could check the stuff to find any problem etc.Have I to change something in bios before I start the PC with the new GPU etc?

Thanks

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Kurapica

PCI express comes in several flavors, 1 , 2 and 3

so make sure your mother board and the new GPU are compatible.

also power supply has to be efficient to be able to power the added GPU.

some motherboards give the priority to the on-board VGA port instead of the installed GPU, you can check

your BIOS settings to make the GPU handle the Video before other ports.

mention your mother board and GPU model here, maybe someone has more experience with hardware.

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LCF-AT

Hi,

no idea whether its 1,2 or 3 only info I can see in my manual is PCI Express x 16.Ok I try to check the bios again to find anything about it.Another infos,maybe the GPU is already a bit broken so my friend told me that the used monitor with this GPU makes trouble sometimes and goes out etc.Now I have connected this monitor on my PC for a while and I don't get the trouble so far.Just only a info,maybe isn't a good idea to use this GPU anymore if it will work later with my system after bios change etc.Ok thanks again so far and till later.

greetz

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LCF-AT

Hey again,

so today I got no luck and the new monitor I did connected yesterday on my PC dosen't work anymore today! :( The screen starts with the logo of company and then it goes out again.Damit!So after this I wanna re-connect my monitor back but had problem with the power cable and have seen that the power pin inside of the connection is broken and dosen't sit firmly!Great!Now I can also forget to use my monitor anymore and now I connected a stone old monitor (still working so far).So now idea what the problem was with new monitor (Full HD Screen) so yesterday all was fine and today no more.

greetz

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LCF-AT

Hi again,

ok today I installed a GPU card in my PC (nVidia GF 8600 GT 512 MB) with drivers and now I checked the video I have again and its still same playing as before too and I see no improving effect! :( Why this now?In VLC I can see the option "Hardware accelerated decoding" and its set to automatic.In the list I also see directX video acceleration DXVA 2.0.So have to change anything else or something to get a better result?So what is the problem that the GPU dosen't show a better effect?Are there any tool where I can test the card to see whether it can handle anything xy what is important to play my video normaly etc.No idea I am just asking and I am a little disappointed now. :( Maybe you have some another ideas.Thanks.

greetz

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GIV

Hi.

AFIS your model does not support CUDA witch is used for high speed decoding.

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  • High-definition H.264, VC-1, MPEG2 and WMV9 decode acceleration and OpenGL 2.1 for games.
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LCF-AT

Ohhhhhhhhhhh neee ne!Great!Now I have 2 GPU cards and both can do nothing for me.Such a flop.So which GPU card is better now of these 2 I have?

Asus GeForce 8600GT 512MB or nVidia GF 8600 GT 512 MB or I think they almost same right.

What about OpenGL?So on both cards I see OpenGL 2.0 so can this do something for me?Maybe I can play Angry Birds HD liquid now. :)

Thanks again for the info GIV.I try to keep CUDA & OpenGL 2.1 in my mind next time.

greetz

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GIV

I for example have this card:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications

 

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kao

@GIV: Original question was that H.264 video playback is slow. And you just quoted that this card supports hardware acceleration for that exact purpose. So, it should work... :)

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GIV

It should but for proper video decoding new softwares use CUDA in Nvidia case so i guess that is a better approach CUDA or OPENCL than this card.

Just my 2 cents.

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LCF-AT

Hhmmmm!So should my card work now or not?Another question,what is the advantage now with my CPU I use now instead to use my OnBoard thing?Is there anything working better now what I can test / see etc or not really?I am not sure but I think the scrolling in browser is better now can that be?Is OpenGL or DirectX better now with that card or so?

Sorry guys I am not so really into this tech stuff. :)

greetz

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kao

I'm sorry, I'm AMD/Radeon guy and have no recent experience with Nvidia. ;)

According to VLC Wiki, your card should work: https://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_GPU_Decoding - just check what settings need to be enabled. You can also check http://www.ghacks.net/2013/03/05/how-to-enable-gpu-accelerated-decoding-in-vlc/  Also, according to some forum posts, you might need to install and use Nvidia Inspector management software: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=104234

Just try and Google and try again... :)

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Thanks again for the infos kao.Ok listen,I have download any other GPU tool and the card I have has CUDA & OpenGL. :) See the picture I made below.Also I have already enabled the 2 options in my VLC player.What now and how to get the FULL Power to play my video liquid? :)

2016-02-29_162442.png.c0fb52f3fe8c8d61be

greetz

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Kurapica

Come on man !

you are expecting a 20 $ GPU to play HD videos smoothly ?!

honestly both of your cards won't do !

grab something with balls, if you need a specific model then maybe I can recommend something for about 100-150 $.

 

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GIV

You can try to use this utility also:

http://cuda-z.sourceforge.net/

If CUDA is present and the proper drivers are installed then VLC can do the job as expected.

http://www.videolan.org/

Just try to see if both requirements are met.

1. CUDA is present in your video card architecture

2. The proper drivers are installed.

and you enable proper settings in your video player software.

The if all is right the video decoding task goes from CPU to GPU.

I for example for this kind of experience use a media box (EBODA 600WEB in my case) with a external HDD attached and i am very pleased with the result.

 

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LCF-AT

Hi,

ok its seems I have CUDA in this card I also can find cuda driver in the nVidia SystemControl panel also I have enabled the option in VLC already.Example:If I enable use GPU decode (Input Codes Option) and I start my video then my CPU usage goes to 55 % during the video played but video dosent run liquid (maybe 10 frames/s) etc.Now if I disable GPU option and start the video then my CPU usage goes to 89 % and the video does play same so I can't see any effect between.So it makes no sense if I use GPU or not so the end result of the video playing is same = not better not worster etc. :( Only diffrent I see in CPU usage.In my MPC-HC player the same video is playing much better but a little to slow and sound is faster then video but also this I had before too without this card and the video.

So I made 3 pics with that tool you said GIV so maybe you can check the values etc.

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PS: The 2 video cards I have now are from my friends old PC systems so I didn't buy any new card yet.The problem is if I buy a new card what is if its also not working and my video does play same bad as now you know.Kao & GIV told alreday I need cuda and the card I test now has it but I don't see any better effects for this.I really not sure now anymore.

greetz

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Kurapica

2016_03_01_223400.png

8600 GT is prehistoric !

 

A simple comparison between the GT 9600 which is almost as old as the 8600 and a GTX 550 Ti which is considered

an entry level GPU but still can play videos smoothly.

you can see clearly that your 8600 is out of this HD video league.

get a new GPU and then you will see the difference.

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GIV

From what i see in the pictures i see that this model have few CUDA cores (32) compaired with 1344 in my case (http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications) .

So even this technology is supported by your model and H264 is hardware decoded by your card (http://www.anandtech.com/show/2220) your model have no suficient performance to do a "liquid" rendering.

Consider upgrading to a newer GPU to obtain the results you await.

Just my 2 cents.

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Teddy Rogers

I have an ATI HD3870 lurking in a box somewhere I can mail to you if you PM me your address. It's not much better than what you have but it's the better of the two cards...

Ted.

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