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CondZero
She seems like a person that will use and walk over people to get where she wants to go which is not good if your in the White House

:woot:

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Teddy Rogers

It was meant to be ironic... :P

Ted.

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ECLiPTiC

This is gonna be a long post

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Teddy Rogers
Is that sarcasm? Make no mistake that his advisors, along with the majority of the population, were pushing for the war. Bush takes a lot of heat for doing exactly what his advisors and the public asked of him. There were too many reasons that Saddam needed to be removed from power. In fact, it almost seemed like he was daring us into war. Maybe he thought we wouldn’t get him…. This war would have never happened had President Clinton followed through. Why doesn’t the liberal media point a finger at him instead of Bush?

The other Arab nations along with many other countries in the West would not have accepted or tolerated another invasion of Iraq, they were all quite happy to see through tougher sanctions. That is why after the conquest of Afganistan George W Bush tried to link the "War on Terror" to Iraq as a reason to go to war.

Had America backed up their claim and supported the Kurds (like they said they would) after the end of the first Gulf War - which, I'll hasten to add was one of the reasons why they never carried on through to Baghdad - Hussein would have been kicked out a couple of years before Clinton came on the scene. Unfortunately they never helped the Kurdish uprising and because of this many thousands of innocent Kurds died or forced out of Iraq and Hussein remained in power...

Ted.

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quosego

Just my thoughts again, ;)

As a true socialist and so not republican for their stance in abortion, euthanasia, gays and all those other things..

According to who? The fact is, Saddam had them, and used them. He used chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. He used them not only against soldiers, but against civilians. He also fired Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. He even used weapons of mass destruction against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. We didn

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CondZero
But what has the USA got to do with that? The USA is not some world police..

By default, because most other nations don't have the means, opportunity, we are in

fact world police to a limited extent. As for the U.N. it has very limited power and I personally

wish the place was never located over here in N.Y.C. no less.

Personally, this topic should never have been posted. Religion and Politics have there

place, but not here. I feel all we have done here is rant, and put a name on

some personally hard shared feelings by some fellow members. myself included, however, with

so many ppl apparently hating the U.S. these days, I chose to at least use some reasoning.

Oh well....

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HVC
Personally, this topic should never have been posted. Religion and Politics have there place, but not here.

+100.

Edited by HVC (see edit history)

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Loveless

Please lock. Religion and politics are only good for conflict. Conflict in forum great such as this would be sad. Just avoid issue, lock this thread and begone.

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Teddy Rogers

Why lock it? Myself and Ecliptic have always had heated discussions over some aspects of American and foreign policy but we don't let it become personal. We are quite capable of being able to discuss matters and not always agree on things but thats life. If you can't handle politics it is probably best not to post :)

However religion is different as people can take this far to personally...

Ted.

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ECLiPTiC
we don't let it become personal

:smile: Yep, you can't take other people's political comments personally. I know there are many places in the world that don't care for the USA's foreign policies. But I don't take this personally. I'm not responsible for the actions of the politicians in this Country, even though I do support some of them ;)

On another note... Did anyone watch Bill O Reilly's interview of Barack? Bill is known for having many conservative views, and imho he gave Barack a tough but fair interview. The interview was candid, that is Barack didn't know the questions ahead of time. Even though I don't support Barack's policies, my opinion of him is better after watching the interview. He stood his ground with Bill, answered the questions, and he didn't back down. I'll give him my respect for that.

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cektop

I hate to have Iraq a top subject, just because war is lead against fundamentalists. US has done nothing better on Balkans, Korea, etc.

I'm sure it's really hard to see the big picture in the US. Just try to see before and after images. Iraq was what it was before the invasion. So, what did US want to achieve? Democracy and peace? It invested hundreds of billions of dollars, few thousands of it's people, and few millions of Iraqis to achieve some goal, whichever it was. With that money that was invested, US could have fed the poor there, overthrown Sadam, completely rebuild infrastructure and industry, educate them, all that in all this time. You would have a large nation in great debt. Instead, US killed 20% of them, hung their president (basically publicly), occupied their oil resources, made streets completely unsafe, tore country in parts and sow seeds of hate among Iraqis themselves, which is evil yet to collapse on them. Imagine you have bounty hunders with heave weapons (I'm not talking about automatic, that's old news), hunting around your neighbourhood and there is absolutely no one you can complain to on this world. They got all from a country which is 10000km away, which they somehow endangered. Fact that Saddam is dead for a long time now and that war is not over clearly states that it was not about him and that he did have great support, that he would even have a good chance to win on democratic ellections there. I would like to see everyones face if a US president was hung. Ironicaly, the worse things are done, they're judged less. I bet none of you can imagine happening that to you. It must not be true. Instead some false topics like democracy and safety are imposed.

Yea, it's a heated argument, but I like to think I can't be thrown out of tracks even when I start writing 20 line posts :)

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Teddy Rogers
On another note... Did anyone watch Bill O Reilly's interview of Barack? Bill is known for having many conservative views, and imho he gave Barack a tough but fair interview. The interview was candid, that is Barack didn't know the questions ahead of time. Even though I don't support Barack's policies, my opinion of him is better after watching the interview. He stood his ground with Bill, answered the questions, and he didn't back down. I'll give him my respect for that.

It was a lot better than Sarah Palins scripted interviews I have seen...

Ted.

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ECLiPTiC

Some funny Obama cartoons:

obamacartoonssj6.th.jpg

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Blah

anybody got a pic of palins a$$ or rack??? :biggrin:

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cond0lence

I just wanted to say during chasing the stock crash infos for many days now already,

go to vote, for the case you have the chance. Just do it.

You maybe can't change the world as a person, this single 'little' voting right,

but sum it up, it can have an effect when all thinking that. So you can change things.

Its Ok, who the one is, whom you want to giving the place, the chair,

I just hope that you understand how much the things are connected nowadays.

Because a non-vote is also a voting, that goes to the rest of them,

which you maybe won't giving your chance.

It goes really about responsibility, but its nothing just to talk about.

I want to say, I had never disliked the u.s. personally (Hey, its next to Asia and Africa one of the biggest continents).

but in all kinds of their influences around the world, I just have seen so many things that others or even not privileged hadn't done.

So this is your chance.

..and in all things, I've lost was maybe the only thing, that never leave me alone, the believe in humanity. :sweat:

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cond0lence

I had just a strange idea, she comes really from.. A..l..a..s..k..a..?

Hey, wasn't HAARP there? ;) -no comment-

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Blah

ooopps...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/palin_family_travel

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Teddy Rogers

To all Americans I hope you make the right choice... Obama! :thumbsup:

Ted.

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Killboy

They all vote him because he's black. That's racist!

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Blah
To all Americans I hope you make the right choice... Obama! :thumbsup:

Ted.

safe to say he won... :biggrin:

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Hyperlisk

Yep, Obama destroyed McCain.

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antrobs

Ya! really safe......

Mr. Obama was hailed the winner of the state's 55 electoral votes - taking him over the 270 total needed to capture the presidency.

Obama has won the U.S. Presidential elections, with John McCain conceding defeat at 4am

Final Results___________Obama____ McCain___ Spread

Electoral College_________334_______157____Obama +177

aNtrObs

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Teddy Rogers

Well done Obama and well done America for voting on the best candidate :1a:

Now the hard part is to come for Obama, running America from January 20, 2009. I wish him the very best during his presidency... :thumbs:

Ted.

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