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Im not retired or inactive, im just too lazy to do gfx nowdays, I think I got bored and I like cracking much more then gfx'ing. 1 skin and 1 logo for 0day release's. Soon i do more I still have unfinished stuff wich is real old :)

Some facts abouy 0day, 0day rules because if you have acces to a 0day serv you will get the newest games, apps, ebooks, mp3's. Respect for all the hardworking 0day & www release groups.

Still, there are many rippers who rip cracks, I saw a patch rip I think the orginal was made by some one of CiM, I lost it during the reinstall of WinCLAWS XP. But, the rip groups wont last long because they dont have the skills, and if a group has a bad reputation soon or late everybody will know about it. Personally I hate rippers if people like something then why dont they just practise and practise till they get the skills.

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Its late here, gonna drink some milk, watch tv listen to portable mp3 player, brush my teeths then sleep.

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Awesome Skin! I like it. I'm a noob and always great to see great stuff to get ideas from. :1a:

Don't worry, if you want you'll get the skills. I started back in 2001/2002 with gfx, first I never tought that I would get the skills. When I started, some other people started too, they all give up. But after practising for years I finally could make what I wanted. if I have a picture in my head I can do it, first off all, if you make something n00bish then dont publish it, I never did. Try to create you own style instead copying stuff of other people, because some people really dont like this.

Dont publish something you made from tutorial because this is real lame, the people who do should be ashamed of their self. Because when you do, you didnt do the gfx but the author all you did was following the steps. And tutorials are made to learn from it not to copy from it.

If you know the techniques and effects then you can make everything by your self. Just keep practising, create your own style and you will get to the top for sure and the most important, dont give up, I almost did when I was a starter, just have patience once I made a skin it took me 18hours.

Almost forgot, dont call your self a "n00b", n00b is a negative word, use "starter" starter sound much better.

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greetings parse ... glad to see you alive...

very good work indeed ...

yea i still crave for one of those gfx's u made for me ...

Im still active as a gfx'er, but I dont post my stuff anymore on the inet. Last time when I wrote a tutorial the gfx got ripped, in the tutorial i said use your own settings, well I think some one cant read :) . Today I just did a video gfx tutorial of 90mins for some one (to create a full patch skin) the project file is almost 1gb Instant Demo cant compile it, only to 50%. Anyway, I should started with cracking months ago.

The red skin I made for you was one of the best gfx I ever made. It took me 18 hours, the 2nd best skin was the keygenskin for that italian keygenner in influence I forgot his nick. That skin really took me 2days, I still can remember that I didnt even sleep. :wacko:

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The red skin I made for you was one of the best gfx I ever made.

Any chance to take a look at it? :lol:

greetz

Yes, but its the last time that I post any of my gfx here. Normally I dont post my stuff, in the past I did some skins for SnD. I also was a member of iNF, man I must admit its was a good crew. But thats the faith and we need to accept it. Anyway, I made this one, I made everything by my self, and the brushes too. The psd lagged the whole computer because it was very big (used 150 layers). I always liked the ASM patchers of starz, because they where way better then dUP2 :)

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This other one took me 2days, yes 2 days I didnt even sleep at all, drunk 6 glasses of coffee :) . Its one of my best keygen skin ever. I forgot to add scanlines on the logo, later starz wanted the logo so I cropped it out and added scanlines, it looked much better.

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Yesterday I made a private tutorial for someone who had very hard time with making gfx, so I tried to help him with a video tutorial. The tutorial lenght is 90 minutes, the project file of the flash mov was nearly 1gb (explained many stuff in the vid). Here is the result:

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I also did a chipdisk skin for a danish chiptune crew, their lazy coder still didnt code it, believe me it was 3 months ago when I finished this one. This one took me 32 hours.

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I know they look complicated, but when I start I start only with one black square, the rest go by its self. All this is useless to me, because I always wanted the skills and finally after many years of practising and drawing I got them. Its pretty boring, sometimes I wish that I could trade my GFX skills for Reversing skills. But the most crackers got skills in 1/2 years so it must be way easier then GFX. But, this is the last time I post something here because there might me someone who rips, or copy my stuff.

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Number 2 and 4 are a really nice. Exept of the head logo in 2 this this is a bit somehow blurry,

or tried you some kind of a foggy cloud?

The others has this gray outline and this reduces this shapeness, contrast case.

The count of layers, hehe.

Well, there are some helpful tools in photoshop for example

- Create groups of your layers (since CS2)

- Merge them (especially, when you use the same effects)

Gfxing is maybe in your eyes boring, but I suggest you could develope your style a bit more.

Maybe this is what turns you to think its boring. ^_^

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Number 2 and 4 are a really nice. Exept of the head logo in 2 this this is a bit somehow blurry,

or tried you some kind of a foggy cloud?

The others has this gray outline and this reduces this shapeness, contrast case.

The count of layers, hehe.

Well, there are some helpful tools in photoshop for example

- Create groups of your layers (since CS2)

- Merge them (especially, when you use the same effects)

Gfxing is maybe in your eyes boring, but I suggest you could develope your style a bit more.

Maybe this is what turns you to think its boring. ^_^

I make layer folders for amlost everything, that option was in the first version of PS so I think its nothing new. I can do many style's from pixel art to vector, simple or detailed website, flash, 3d gfx but I like this style, I started to with this style by my own. I never used tutorial for something, doing GFX since 2002 that makes it boring, because when I started I wanted to create cool GFX, now I can so Mission Completed. Next mission is to become a elite cracker.

Oh and for skin 2, I was playing delta force bhd, some dude was talking about a xray hack. Later I started with this gfx, as you can see it looks a bit like xray. It wasnt a cloud effect, I use only the standart Photoshop effects and only sometimes I use filters, normally I draw everything by hand, same for the tech brushes I drew them. I dont use stuff from other people.

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First. I too am a n00b/starter.....I've been a part of the scene (Warez) for almost 15 years...I have seen ALOT of loaders and skins...I don't think I have ever seen your work P43...I hang out with the wrong people, I guess ;) ...Let me say, wonderful art...And the way you change the shades of blue...Wow...But I must ask a question...Did you really mean that you use over a hundred layers?...That seems so unreal!...How can you keep track of your element?!?!...Also, with so many layers going, what kind of PC do you, or have you used?...I mean, doesn't it take forever to save/compile your work?...Thanks for any reply to my questions...I kind of want to enter into the art scene...I have the images in my head and all...But, beyond some Illustrator experience...I have little idea of how to start...Or where...BYW, it seems to me a real shame that you are thinking of moving on to other things then art...One look and even a no-talent hack can see that you were born to do this stuff...It's one thing to make a menu/option screen work...It's a whole other thing to make a menu screen beautifully.....

Anyways...Great work...And greets from an old schooler...

~Wastelander (I used to be relevant)

About the layers, it lagged my computer as hell because I still had 265mb ram :wub: later a friend of me gave me 265ram so I have 512mb, its much faster now. For every detail youu on the skin I used a layer, normally I dont even name the layers when I finish button I just make a layer folder drag an drop everything on it. To compile it, it takes 40sec or more.

I still have many stuff wich I need to create a dup2 skin for it, I really hate that.

Thats nothing compared to the elite group arts, like the logo's of deviance razor etc etc. I read somewhere, they made a simple logo, first they drew a sketch scanned it painted in PS, you know the style they use its pretty hard. It took them 36 hours to finish it. Anyway, if you start just do it dont give up, there where many people who kept ****ting on me like "you didnt make that" or "you have ripped that gfx". So if you make something dont show it to haters, long time ago I wrote a tutorial for SnD its about webdesigning, just go and get it from the download section, I hope you'll learn something from it.

In that tutorial I cover some stuff wich is real hard for many people, I show you how to make a simple menu, containbox & header. I also show how to convert it to php with dreamweaver.

The point is, if you know how to slice a photoshop image (converting it to html or php), you can skip that part and read the part about how to make the layout in Photoshop (its a simple one). Im still with Photoshop 7.0.

The reason that I didnt write more tutorials, when I released it later some lamer read it, copied the gfx with exact the same settings + colors. In the tutorial I say that you'll have to use ur own settings if you want, but the lamer couldnt read that line I guess. So, when he finished the rip he didnt even credited me. So why should I write more tutorials if no one credits me? Same with SnD they dont even thanked me so what the heck, I got the skills, I know many tricks I stick to my own 0day group, 0day gives me everything what I want the newest mp3's, the newest games the newest movies all that with the maximal dl speed of my connection wich is 500/600kbps. You will have to deal with stuff like this too if you want to deal some serious art, later you'll see what I was talking about.

Many of the people who post stuff here, in my eyes its only fast made garbage with a big lack of quality. Colors that dont match, huge buttons, I saw a skin here the button was bigger then the logo. I also saw a huge skin here wich res was 800 by 800 almost fullscreen. They dont have the skills to create something by them own, they create something with the help of a tutorial and they call it "look what I made", no its not something "you made", its something that some one else made and you copied it. Many post here only to get fame, I cant call that real art, my stuff isnt nice at all, I can do logo's like the one of Razor, Deviance etc etc, but that would be harder because I have to brush them.

Enough now, just start with gfx and try to create your own stuff wich will be very very orginal if you get the photoshop skills then start to do paintings (brushing etc). And dont show your work to other people.

If I get the cracking skills, I can do everything by my self, the GFX the crack and the music. Music, is also a hobby of me :)

YPOGEiOS on top!

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Guest Wastelander
About the layers, it lagged my computer as hell because I still had 265mb ram :wub: later a friend of me gave me 265ram so I have 512mb, its much faster now. For every detail youu on the skin I used a layer, normally I dont even name the layers when I finish button I just make a layer folder drag an drop everything on it. To compile it, it takes 40sec or more.

I guess with a duel core and 2gigs ram I don't have to worry about having too many layers...But I still can't help but think...With 4 or 5 active "buttons" or objects with all of the transparencies and layers going on and all of the "layer folders" to put them in...I hope that my HDD doesn't melt...

Enough now, just start with gfx and try to create your own stuff wich will be very very orginal if you get the photoshop skills then start to do paintings (brushing etc). And dont show your work to other people.

I'm getting your tutorial now...And I PROMISE not to borrow/steal/use ANYTHING of yours..And if I do..You get the credit...I don't promise in a month that I will have great work to show...But I do promise that even if it sucks...It will be my own NOT COPIED or PASTED work...

I thought that the days of "script kiddies" and C&P artists were over...Guess not...Too bad...When someone does the HARD TIME of actually creating and some one else takes that work and re-defines the colors or something..Well, it just kills the scene and the moral of the artist...

BTW, I think I will start with a simple loader or something...No real buttons are anything...Work with my layer skills and different brushes...

If I get the cracking skills, I can do everything by my self, the GFX the crack and the music. Music, is also a hobby of me :)

YPOGEiOS on top!

I wish you nothing but luck and good times...Though, I did a little "reversising" way way back..And, well...I hope you like looking at code...'cause you will be looking at ALOT of it.. ;)

Again, thanks for the advice and the warning about the thieves out there...And thank for the tutorials!...

~Wastelander (I used to be relevant)

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Oh I forget, in PS in the upper left corner you'll see something like Doc 654kb/48.8Mb

the 48.8mb is the size of the .psd unpacked (when you'll load it in PS), when you start you probly use A big res to start with, starting the background, but soon or late you'll see the size will increase what you can do is crop the skin out, the size will increase with a big amount. Goodluck.

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I was a bit busy these days so sorry if this posting comes so much late. Anyway, its the right place putting it here.

Thank you for your honest point of view, P43.

I would say you are not the only one, who has visual-stuff or almost idols, who gave this impression that pushes and could it really be without, I don't know?!

It is also mighty knowing where problems are, what things need. But its more important and helpful to share the ideas or knowledge and don't suddenly give up when maybe one template is not used or however, anyhow you gave your best and much of effort.

Surely, I can remember too that sometimes templates for GUIs were not conform for my mind I've seen by others or they were pretty enough that someone likes it or ironic just a handful were used by someone, but you shouldn't forget there was somebody, who took the time (more or less) starting or continue his/her little explorations in maybe ancient waters and they had maybe fun doing this or struggled with settings and tools, the only barrier when phantasy cooks, lol. Anyway, it needs your support for a better world/scene and no rude words that can destroy passions in developing phases or you have to blame yourself being part of reasons, if something is missing but does nothing against this deficit. Everyone of us here and there should give each other this 'inpiration' not a 'damnation'.

It sounds maybe useful that you make tutorials, anyway I don't like discussing about things I had never ever seen. This maybe will help this personal guy, but situations will stay the same. Look, I've lost much of my stuff in HDD crashes in the past and many things were unseen, too. But it was the beginning to think about, that it could happen once again (just for example). Nobody will see the stuff, when I keep all for myself or maybe cover/hide it. How much would it be, exept that you wasted time for maybe nothing, little part of practise, eh?

Also respectful that you create all your stuff by yourself, just let it call stuff I don't want to split this subject in brushes (tools), wallpaper (products) and so on.. to keep that here short holding the track. But its not a shame to use stuff by others, maybe it could change your style for something better or just new/other pieces you never did before. They will always have a taste of yourself, like all my stuff have a taste of the music that I was listening, hehe. I could almost make a playlist really to feel what I had felt for the case that the memory will leave me someday. Long time I had this same created stupid rule for myself 'never look on others tutorials', but to confess it here and now it was maybe one of the greatest mistake that you can do. Tell me, how can you make an opinion, when you close your eyes and don't confront yourself with it? You create your own walls and limitate your thinking. This is more than loony! Like some childs try to have opinions about this world without reading newspaper or watching news. I don't say believe everything, just take as much as you can and build you opinion of it. And there are many ways to produce things, anyway you follow strict a tut or not. I don't want extending this here, that some tut are not understandable how I maybe need it and so I do it my way, who cares. This is maybe the most golden rule you start to try for everywhere.

Do you only want to hear, that I hope too somebody should take a bit more imagination, that eyes can't easy recognize which font, gradient, color.. or that it can be simple to avoid using the defaults, modify them (an average GFXer could tell you already the software and the place of the tool) making it hard to know what was done without getting megalomania and resulting a product with this 'wow-effect'. But I had this issue with an other guy already a while ago and the only thing it always would do is pointing on a n00b-to-pro scale thinking, which I don't like. Every skill is somehow helpful. Accept everybody how he/she is. Life is easier when you have more friends, than enemies (in your eyes).

This is just my little point of view.

I hope you change your actual opinion someday, because its not the best and up to you. Maybe you need really this experience to reach this point of insight, need these mistakes but hopefully you will remember these words one day. I did my best, hm.. looks almost like a Manifesto.

Take it or leave it and don't crucify me, if I see more potential.

Everybody who spread critics shall be able to get the same, but its constructive for nothing more as yourself.

P.S.: If you need a harsh style version of this, no prob. Google for youself, most terms are known. I'm too lazy for this :P

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First off all, Im not a king or some one big, just a normal person like everyone else on this forum. Im not better then them, they are not better then me. Doesnt matter what gender they have. BTW the color of our blood has the same color right?

No, why should I help some other people, share my knowledge with some one who even WONT thank me? No. I wanted to write many tuts, but when I wrote my first one SnD didnt credit me with my crew name and people ripped the GFX, used my tutorial without crediting me. Believe me you dont know how painfull that is. Same story with a very good cracker from germany, im not going to mention his name but he has great skills, he was in SnD too, they dont even mention his name in the nfo.

Same with the most groups, the most of them use a chiptune and they dont even thank the author thats what I can call lame, because it destroys the chip scene.

I dont need fame, thats why I almost never post my stuff on www. I started with cracking so I can do almost everything by my self, with chipmusic, Im still practsing with it I can do ostinato's etc etc.

When I started no one helped me, only God gave me the strength to continue. I didnt follow many tutorials (followed 10 tuts only wich where pretty bad), I discovered everything by my self. I still think I can be better then this, when I started I respected everybody, altough when I started some other kids started only me and another kid had the patience to get so far.

So why should help other lame people who wont even credit you. And if would make a tutorial, I wouldnt publish it to the public.

Almost forgot, I did made the web creation tut to help people out, since many webmasters course's are a big ripoff and you wont learn something from it.

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Well, you don't know me enough, that I understand how painful this must be, I had a short time in the avatar-scene and was always frustrated to get all the time 'a little border around and it looks fine'. Looking back It was maybe the greatest time to learn how important this is. Certainly I have seen what comes from CiM or other groups and surely code ripping is a prob. But I stay on my position you does too much for yourself and should better think about why somebody (sorry, the list would never end if I give name here) release stuff intended for other. Several PE Tools or others. I think, I'd lost the track how much this has to do with fame or something, its just to bring ideas to others.

I couldn't getting out of my head what you said so this was in my brain within the last days, just for your information:

Maybe I can add that you should learn what design is, before you want blame everybody, maybe once the whole world.

There are not so huge restrictions as you know from 'code ripping'.

Every smart modification or usage is part of nu style or could have touch of art, this is not ripping.

No, I'm not talking about a silly border around and finish.

Examples? Time for a little trip, Ok lets go:

- The avatar-scene uses wallpaper as sources to express stuff they like,

but work also with combination of perspective effects, RL-Stuff (yeah, digicam and scanner)

- 'the scene' uses textures or photos, for intros/demos (maybe not all stuff own made) this needs to forbidden with your opinion

- Andy Warhol (R.I.P) created an own style of art. I'm sure you know a bit of his stuff.

- Coming to music, every 'Remix' is a rule break (in your eyes) so forbidden, too.

I use in rare case stuff from others, too. You can blame me all the time, but select how much I have my skill you will never defeat somebody, who has passion to the bone. You will never defeat somebody with a higher experience level.

If you really want to give no one the chance to use others stuff, is the whole world already hell.

And I exclude explicit the use of commercial resources like icons or fonts.

Please avoid it, but stop having a 'don't touch that' thinking.

You can never stop lamers, if they are clever enought they stop their own doing.

Ok, you can do this bitmap-vector style now, but what comes next? You wanna be a designer, you should never stick on only one style or same with fonts (Art- and color-Styles are seperate cases) and already freeze in this 'Hey, I'm Pro'. It has the same kind of lameness.

Oh I forgot, wanna discuss about 0day?

You can have it. Ok, now listen:

0day is maybe on the first view piracy, but has useful sideeffects.

Its the most efficent promotion system for all parties.

For Software:

You get in touch with software you never heard of, because for example your local retailers are the best n00b pre-selector, just sells what he/she thinks what is good for all (blind customer), who trust this awarded apps and read only these tittle-tackle mags. Maybe its also these huge prices or just the restriction of your own ethics prohibits you to get it from ebay (have you ever read the small infos, you sign?), but who can say it was the real stuff you needed, so you get it from 0day for your real trial.

For Music:

There are many Artists, who have not the ability for promotion or are on stage maybe in 2 countries a year and give sh.. to do it more, because they decide, but its not the best for some fans (maybe fans, who recognize with 0day this was always what they were looking for, but nobody did something for this call it relationship, if you are addicted to music).

This is just a scrap of examples. I think you could extend this for yourself.

Who I am, that I take the right to tell you that?

Call me part of your Illuminati conspiracies, but nobody is interest how 1337 U R!

Its worry enough to see, that there is a loss in quality over the last years. Whats up with the rulez?

This system is not to stop, but it is tolerated in the same way.

But thats enough writing about this offtopic.

Declaration: No, I work for nobody, this is only experience, an open secret,

but you should never mess you with older generations or ppl,

who are skilled to read between the lines, just as a hint.

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Okay, man your replies are big. My turn.

First you say:

- The avatar-scene uses wallpaper as sources to express stuff they like

Indeed, a scene with un tallented people who cant ***** draw, thats why their ****-wich-should-be-printed-on-toilet-paper looks all the same.

'the scene' uses textures or photos, for intros/demos (maybe not all stuff own made) this needs to forbidden with your opinion

First off all, the most coders or gfx'ers make their own textures, if some one rips or uses some one's texture every scener will call it lame if he or she dont credit the author. Christ sake, stop twisting my words I didnt even mention the word forbidden.

I use in rare case stuff from others, too. You can blame me all the time, but select how much I have my skill you will never defeat somebody, who has passion to the bone. You will never defeat somebody with a higher experience level.

Missed something on skool? This dude has **** in his eyes, I said I can be much better then this and there is a lot to learn.

Ok, you can do this bitmap-vector style now, but what comes next?

Vector art is a technique not a style.

Coming to music, every 'Remix' is a rule break (in your eyes) so forbidden, too.

Hell yes, it IS lame if some one STEALS your melodies, its ok if some one BUYS the melody from an artist. Since many artist cant COMPOSE a simple song, they will try to BUY a melody. Wich is pretty bad. This is NOT orginal, every author should compose his own songs.

You can never stop lamers,

So you admit that they are lamers?

You wanna be a designer, you should never stick on only one style or same with fonts (Art- and color-Styles are seperate cases) and already freeze in this 'Hey, I'm Pro'. It has the same kind of lameness.

Im not a designer im a scene GFX'er, in fact in reallife I never went to an artskool, Im going to do something with electronics. The most sceners didnt even go to an artskool. As I said before, in my older post. Iam the same as everybody. So stop twisting my words, I never said 'Hey, I'm Pro'. I can do many styles, vector, 3d, simple design. I use my knowledge only FOR scene GFX and nothing else.

Call me part of your Illuminati conspiracies, but nobody is interest how 1337 U R!

Goddamit, you must read before you start to write bull. As I said in my older reply, I dont need FAME, thats why I DONT post my stuff in here. People as you want to get their name as a 1337, thats why you guys made a second house of these forums. If I wanted FAME I had the opportunity to join many GOOD groups.

This is just a scrap of examples.

You mean "this is just a crap of examples".

Every smart modification or usage is part of nu style or could have touch of art, this is not ripping.

Its clear, you dont know what you talk about. Lets say, what if some one "gets" the windows source and then he "modification" on some stuff. Would it be a rip? No not to Mister Condoleance.

Its worry enough to see, that there is a loss in quality over the last years. Whats up with the rulez?

This system is not to stop, but it is tolerated in the same way.

So again, you admit that lamers ****ed everything up? It sounds that he's defending his own kind.

About the 0day crap, the crackers scene STARTED with 0day. The oldest groups started as 0day that where it all started.

The finaltouch:

For Music:

There are many Artists, who have not the ability for promotion or are on stage maybe in 2 countries a year and give sh.. to do it more, because they decide, but its not the best for some fans (maybe fans, who recognize with 0day this was always what they were looking for, but nobody did something for this call it relationship, if you are addicted to music).

Once again, you just talk ****. First off all, the 0day releases, they get released on FTP wich are good secured with password username and a IP reg. You think EVERYBODY has acces to 0day servers? 0day releases SHOULDNT be on WWW, they shouldnt be downloaded by NONE sceners. Its clear, you talk about subjects, you dont know a damn **** about them.

So mr Perfect-wants-to-help-lamers, why dont you go help them out, in your reply you even admitted it that they ARE lamers. **** weblamers & couriers, **** retarted gfx'ers, **** rippers.

The scene should be as it was.

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If this turns to be a flame war. I give up and take the time for more usefull stuff than fighting with you for what? Ok, I should better keep my thinking for myself in future, thx for the reminder. Emotional outbrakes has something inside, but I avoid it that almost everything gets to be censored, who cares. Maybe you had a bad day, I don't know. Look, we reached nothing within this little dialog, exept that you start to split my posts in quotes and produced a 'Oh, you are the same like all these' in my eyes. Hey man, cold down. :)

Anyway, good to see that you had found your way and looking forward what you code someday.

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