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Is Everything Crackable?

Is everything crackable?  

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  1. 1. Can RCE crack anything/everything?

    • I can code uncrackable stuff myself
      24
    • Everything can be cracked
      297
    • Some stuff is uncrackable
      103


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lena151

Over at ARTeam, I made this poll but I'm also interested in your opinion here. So, the question is the following: I read recently that anything and everything is crackable, and this even within a "reasonable" (1 month) amount of time. Yeah, we all read already somewhere that "if it runs, it can be cracked" and more of the likes, but is this really true? Let's see what you think ...

BTW, I'm not questioning the theoretical question. Of course -theoretically- there is a way to circumvent any protection. The question is meant as "Can the skilled coder implement so many twists and turns in his program that it becomes so hard and difficult that it is never/ever defeatable?"

And I'm not talking about packers/protectors who are indeed always crackable because those need an automated way to pack/protect which can always be reconstructed.

So, if you haven't voted on ARTeam board, let's see what you think ...

Regards,

lena151.

PS I voted for #1

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al-kaiser

"if it runs, it can be cracked" but that is just true. I think its harder to code than to crack a protection.

Alk

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Krzywy

everythink made by man can be cracked by man :)

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Ufo-Pu55y

Maybe I'm not enough into it,

but my logic refuses the idea of something not being crackable.

In IT there's everything reproducable -

and as long as something's reproducable, it's always reversable...

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Whiterat

Well its a tough one really....Alot of variables to take in.

The theory of "if it runs it can be cracked" works great until you come against crypted sections.

Technically your not cracking it if your using legit details to decrypt.....Hard one that...

Generally though everything is crackable, its just the level of difficulty involved.

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antrobs

For me all App is crackable, Just need more time and some great info's for finding or discovering weak points of the app or sort of backdoors etc....

aNtRoBs

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Hasl

i agree said of Krzywy all application is crackable....need time to do that...so that will be step by sted to do....and helping to other staff in this site........ :yahoo:

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lena151

My personal perception/opinion is that coding uncrackable programs isn't even difficult. Just some strong and well-hidden but always silent anti that avoids running the real stuff will always achieve it! How on earth could one crack something if he doesn't know he's chasing ghosts???

Take this example http://www.tuts4you.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9169 which I posted almost a year ago. I gave all necessary info (which an author will never share with you) and still no solution. I even posted the program displaying all Ring3 anti stuff http://www.tuts4you.com/forum/index.php?sh...11079&st=75 (post 78) and still no valid solution. Well, with 99,9% of the info needed, it can't be a problem to crack it, right? So, all people claiming anything/everything is crackable ... go ahead and for a start ... crack it!

(Remark: if nobody cracks it now with 99,9% of the info given away ... I'll loose every confidence in RCE for sure!)

lena151.

PS Like said before, the above mentioned example program is my own freeware program turned into a ReverseMe because I wanted to implement a whole new arsenal of other/new anti tricks (just for fun). I haven't yet because it simply seems unnecessary ... .

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neXus'91
Take this example http://www.tuts4you.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9169 which I posted almost a year ago.

...still no valid solution.

Hi

I think that this crackme has been cracked already by one or two people. :flowers:

I'm not sure thoo. :dunno:

I will search and (maybe) find a prove that it has been cracked, only if you (lena151) or anybody else doesn't believe me.

:angry:

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zako
I will search and (maybe) find a prove that it has been cracked, only if you (lena151) or anybody else doesn't believe me.

:angry:

Please do, I don't believe you.

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lena151
I will search and (maybe) find a prove that it has been cracked, only if you (lena151) or anybody else doesn't believe me.

Oh, yes, please find the proof and restore my faith in RCE because indeed like zako says ... it's difficult to believe you.

BTW, the ReverseMe was posted on five boards (also on crackmes.de) and downed far over 500 times. You may want to search there too. :flowers:

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neXus'91
You may want to search there too. :flowers:

Ok

I will start searching for it.

I saw it somewhere today.

Just give me a moment.

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Loki

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Challenge 2007 one which MOID cracked?

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neXus'91
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Challenge 2007 one which MOID cracked?

:oops:

I just checked and it is actually a different one. (challenge 2007)

Sorry

I was at school this morning and i couldn't download it there, because the school is crap (they banned downloading stuff at school). :down:

SORRYYYYYY :unsure::dunno:

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Angel-55

Just to be honest Lena and all other guys i must say most of the crackers hate challenges......solving them isn't that much usually so they prefere having a real application to work on else than screwing with a challenge for a while although sometimes it would be fun to solve it especially when it's greatly programmed......"like your challeneg Lena" but i dunno if there are any crackers intrested in it you know these over 500 downloaders might be mostly NewBies that thought it would be easy and just to ask you programmed this one but can it be registered by a way ?? i mean the routine is ready but as you are it's coder do you have a solution for it :) like a serial or some example.......my opinion of course and no harm Lena

and if any one thought i disrespected him well "Sorry !!" :D

#Edit

just to clear things up, that sorry is for anyone who read my replay and felt bad of something i said :D

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neXus'91
and if any one thought i disrespected him well "Sorry !!" :D

:kick::sick:

ROFLLLLL :woot:

LOLLLLLL :^

muhahahahhahaaaaaa

P.S Angle no offence

muhahahaaaaaa

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syk071c

you can crack anything .... eventually ;)

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neXus'91
you can crack anything .... eventually ;)

So why don't you accept her offer then? To crack the ReverseME?

Sorry just a question

P.S

Oh yeah...

I think that Sonny27 could crack it!

He can crack anything...

Where is he anyway????????

SONNY27 WE NEED YOU IN HERE!!! TO CHEER UP OUR TOP GIRL ;p lol

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Sonny27

Since when can I crack anything?

Thanks for the compliment, but even in SND there are so much better reverse enineers than me:

Ziggy, syk071c, MaRKuS, PakMan and to be honest all the others ;)

I

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neXus'91
Since when can I crack anything?

Thanks for the compliment, but even in SND there are so much better reverse enineers than me:

Ziggy, syk071c, MaRKuS, PakMan and to be honest all the others ;)

I

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zako

For me the poll is a complete waste, surely lena realised before she posted it 90% of the "if it runs in can be cracked" responses would be by the I know because I read that in someone's sig brigade. Of the remaining 10% about 5% will be by crackers who's ego far exceeds their reversing knowledge and know for a fact without having looked at the target it can be reversed but, don't have the time or inclination to back it up, the same knee jerk reaction that led her to pose the question to begin with.

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Sigma

I personaly think that there is a point where one says "enough is enough". Unless you have *no* life, and *no* other commitments, and have all day to study reversing, there are programs that just can't be reversed under normal conditions - be it lack of time, lack of knowledge, etc.

Obviously in a perfect world, anything can be, but my final answer is that no, some things cannot be.

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lena151
.... i dunno if there are any crackers intrested in it you know these over 500 downloaders might be mostly NewBies that thought it would be easy and just to ask you programmed this one but can it be registered by a way ??

So, you mean that nobody except some newbies are interested in proving that my stuff is crackable? Thanks for shedding this new light on the case. Ehrrr, it's very well possible of course. I had not thought of it that way yet... and I will need some time for reflection....

Of course that it is your good right to doubt my ability to code a program that can effectively be solved. Hence, I will post the keygen that I use to deliver valid serials for the program should it not be solved by then in a month or so.

For me the poll is a complete waste...

Not for me though. I have learnt more from the last replies then during the last two months.

Anyway, in the mean time, I was challenged at ARTeam to code an "uncrackable" program in assembler. It wasn't so easy in such short time (2 days) but you can find an attempt for it (ReverseMe#9bylena151) in the crackmes section of this forum. I'm curious how long it will take to crack this one if it is only newbies that try it.

Best regards and thanks to all who voted/replied.

lena151.

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Angel-55

Nah Lena, i didn't mean all are NewBies but mostly yeah this is the fact for sure i dunno if many expect pro's to try it cause they prefere real applications as i said.........no need for writting your keygen i just asked about it i thought it's a challenge that actually has no registration methods :) sorry about that !!

a final note just to make it clear "everything is crackable except human minds XD" lolz

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Fungus

Everything can be cracked, it just depends on your level of knowledge, and how much time your willing to devote to cracking something... they said starforce was uncrackable, yet eventually someone did it.

Lena151 : Maybe try an alternate route of motivation for your crackme, simply say it IS impossible to crack, and some cracker will just have to go and prove you wrong ;D

I will give it an honest go, but my skill set is still pretty limited, so I don't have much faith I can do it.

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