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[lena151]

Over at ARTeam, I made this poll but I'm also interested in your opinion here. So, the question is the following: I read recently that anything and everything is crackable, and this even within a "reasonable" (1 month) amount of time. Yeah, we all read already somewhere that "if it runs, it can be cracked" and more of the likes, but is this really true? Let's see what you think ...

BTW, I'm not questioning the theoretical question. Of course -theoretically- there is a way to circumvent any protection. The question is meant as "Can the skilled coder implement so many twists and turns in his program that it becomes so hard and difficult that it is never/ever defeatable?"

And I'm not talking about packers/protectors who are indeed always crackable because those need an automated way to pack/protect which can always be reconstructed.

So, if you haven't voted on ARTeam board, let's see what you think ...

Regards,
lena151.
PS I voted for #1

Edited by lena151, 11 June 2007 - 01:56 PM.

[al-kaiser]

"if it runs, it can be cracked" but that is just true. I think its harder to code than to crack a protection.

Alk

[Krzywy]

everythink made by man can be cracked by man

[Ufo-Pu55y]

Maybe I'm not enough into it,
but my logic refuses the idea of something not being crackable.
In IT there's everything reproducable -
and as long as something's reproducable, it's always reversable...

[Whiterat]

Well its a tough one really....Alot of variables to take in.
The theory of "if it runs it can be cracked" works great until you come against crypted sections.
Technically your not cracking it if your using legit details to decrypt.....Hard one that...

Generally though everything is crackable, its just the level of difficulty involved.

[antrobs]

For me all App is crackable, Just need more time and some great info's for finding or discovering weak points of the app or sort of backdoors etc....



aNtRoBs

[Hasl]

i agree said of Krzywy all application is crackable....need time to do that...so that will be step by sted to do....and helping to other staff in this site........

[lena151]

My personal perception/opinion is that coding uncrackable programs isn't even difficult. Just some strong and well-hidden but always silent anti that avoids running the real stuff will always achieve it! How on earth could one crack something if he doesn't know he's chasing ghosts???
Take this example  http://www.tuts4you....?showtopic=9169  which I posted almost a year ago. I gave all necessary info (which an author will never share with you) and still no solution. I even posted the program displaying all Ring3 anti stuff  http://www.tuts4you....h...11079&st=75 (post 78)  and still no valid solution. Well, with 99,9% of the info needed, it can't be a problem to crack it, right? So, all people claiming anything/everything is crackable ... go ahead and for a start ... crack it!
(Remark: if nobody cracks it now with 99,9% of the info given away ... I'll loose every confidence in RCE for sure!)

lena151.
PS Like said before, the above mentioned example program is my own freeware program turned into a ReverseMe because I wanted to implement a whole new arsenal of other/new anti tricks (just for fun). I haven't yet because it simply seems unnecessary ... .

[neXus'91]

lena151, on Jun 12 2007, 12:03 PM, said:

Take this example  http://www.tuts4you....?showtopic=9169  which I posted almost a year ago.

...still no valid solution.

Hi
I think that this crackme has been cracked already by one or two people.  
I'm not sure thoo.  
I will search and (maybe) find a prove that it has been cracked, only if you (lena151) or anybody else doesn't believe me.

[zako]

jdys_1991, on Jun 12 2007, 12:47 PM, said:

I will search and (maybe) find a prove that it has been cracked, only if you (lena151) or anybody else doesn't believe me.

Please do, I don't believe you.

[lena151]

jdys_1991, on Jun 12 2007, 01:47 PM, said:

I will search and (maybe) find a prove that it has been cracked, only if you (lena151) or anybody else doesn't believe me.

Oh, yes, please find the proof and restore my faith in RCE because indeed like zako says ... it's difficult to believe you.
BTW, the ReverseMe was posted on five boards (also on crackmes.de) and downed far over 500 times. You may want to search there too.  

[neXus'91]

lena151, on Jun 12 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

You may want to search there too.  

Ok
I will start searching for it.
I saw it somewhere today.
Just give me a moment.

[Loki]

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Challenge 2007 one which MOID cracked?

[neXus'91]

Loki, on Jun 12 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Challenge 2007 one which MOID cracked?

I just checked and it is actually a different one. (challenge 2007)
Sorry
I was at school this morning and i couldn't download it there, because the school is crap (they banned downloading stuff at school).  
SORRYYYYYY   

[Angel-55]

Just to be honest Lena and all other guys i must say most of the crackers hate challenges......solving them isn't that much usually so they prefere having a real application to work on else than screwing with a challenge for a while although sometimes it would be fun to solve it especially when it's greatly programmed......"like your challeneg Lena" but i dunno if there are any crackers intrested in it you know these over 500 downloaders might be mostly NewBies that thought it would be easy and just to ask you programmed this one but can it be registered by a way ?? i mean the routine is ready but as you are it's coder do you have a solution for it like a serial or some example.......my opinion of course and no harm Lena
and if any one thought i disrespected him well "Sorry !!"

#Edit
just to clear things up, that sorry is for anyone who read my replay and felt bad of something i said

Edited by Angel-55, 12 June 2007 - 03:48 PM.

[neXus'91]

Angel-55, on Jun 12 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

and if any one thought i disrespected him well "Sorry !!"

  
ROFLLLLL  
LOLLLLLL  
muhahahahhahaaaaaa

P.S Angle no offence
muhahahaaaaaa

Edited by jdys_1991, 12 June 2007 - 02:57 PM.

[syk071c]

you can crack anything .... eventually

[neXus'91]

syk071c, on Jun 12 2007, 05:26 PM, said:

you can crack anything .... eventually

So why don't you accept her offer then? To crack the ReverseME?
Sorry just a question


P.S
Oh yeah...
I think that Sonny27 could crack it!
He can crack anything...
Where is he anyway????????
SONNY27 WE NEED YOU IN HERE!!! TO CHEER UP OUR TOP GIRL ;p lol

Edited by jdys_1991, 12 June 2007 - 05:26 PM.

[Sonny27]

Since when can I crack anything?
Thanks for the compliment, but even in SND there are so much better reverse enineers than me:
Ziggy, syk071c, MaRKuS, PakMan and to be honest all the others
I´m not a "as good as possible" cracker, not too bad either, but most people in a team are way better than me.
I came into the team as a "usual" reverser, and I´m currently more learning than releasing.
Maybe I´ll try the Challenge...

greetz

[neXus'91]

Sonny27, on Jun 12 2007, 07:30 PM, said:

Since when can I crack anything?
Thanks for the compliment, but even in SND there are so much better reverse enineers than me:
Ziggy, syk071c, MaRKuS, PakMan and to be honest all the others
I´m not a "as good as possible" cracker, not too bad either, but most people in a team are way better than me.
I came into the team as a "usual" reverser, and I´m currently more learning than releasing.
Maybe I´ll try the Challenge...

greetz

I like you most, coz you speak my language (german   [well most people from Team SnD do ]) and coz you'r just really good. lol  
No offence to anybody else from team snd. It's just my opinion. Don't take it personally.
lol
Anyway i've got full hope in you cracking this beast!!!  





Oh
PS It's off-topic but please help me http://www.tuts4you....showtopic=12963
Sorry

Edited by jdys_1991, 12 June 2007 - 06:57 PM.